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Eddie Frenzy Spam · Mar 08, 2009, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by miskav

And every-one is saying you're trolling because this was known around 4 years ago, and is in no way a ''great'' warrior build.

Conjure axe is actually a pretty good build. Chop chop from [rawr] seems to think so anyway, herd [rawr] wer gud.

miskav · Mar 08, 2009, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Herd that a build working for one person or one group in high end pvp doesn't equal it being great for every warrior >>

iVendetta · Mar 08, 2009, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Go D/A for BIG Numbers

[Vow of Strength][Shadowy Burden] ~200-250 crit on casters *AKA 60 Armor

A fight without conditions?

zling · Mar 08, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Actually Sun Fired Blank helped my dps a bit, so I suppose it was a success.

so like

1) Are there any practical war builds for pvp with higher damage ?

2) What functions do warriors have that don't involve doing a lot of damage ? I can think of some but I'm curious what you'd have to say.

thank you for your clarification, now the point of this thread is a lot clearer.

so to answer your questions:
1) it depends if you're talking about spike damage or pressure damage. for spike conjure evis is probably the highest DPS spike build you can have. for pressure DPS a standard conjure dragon slasher will have the highest dps, cause you can easily spam +40 damage hits.

2) besides high damage warriors can do pretty good pressure, [bull's strike], [crippling slash], [coward], etc are pretty good pressure skills. of course it combines with good damage, which is the main form of warrior pressure. warriors can also do pretty good shutdown/disruption by knock downs, mainly hammer warriors but standard shock axe bar when played properly can also do it. I dont know of you consider this as an independant function but line backing, aka protecting your backline from the enemy frontline, can also count.

Sun Fired Blank · Mar 08, 2009, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Most warrior builds don't do altogether that much damage straight up. Like in terms of what you'll manage, you're talking a stable 50-60 DPS using Cripslash, Coward, Eviscerate or Warrior's Endurance. If you toss a Conjure on top of that you can probably add like 10 DPS, and with Dragon Slash or Hundred Blades, you can probably get closer to 70 DPS without a conjure, but you won't even touch a bunch of things like Moebius Strike or Spirit Strength rits (which can hit like 90+ DPS if your target doesn't kite).

The thing is that most other physical builds that do more damage pretty much do only that; damage. Warriors may not do as much damage but things like [Disrupting Chop] and [Bull's Strike], and deep wound on command, and not being reliant on passive skills, and not being squishy, and having a free secondary, and only requiring five or six skills to flesh the bar goes a long way.

Lourens · Mar 08, 2009, 07:04 PM // 19:04

[dismember]and[cleave] is way better for Alliance Battles and Random Arenas [eviscerate][body blow] is a spike used mostly in Guild versus Guild.

["for great justice!"] charges your cleave in 2 hits isnt that great? then youll be looking at big numbers like 100 every 3-5 seconds

HollaBigj · Mar 08, 2009, 08:28 PM // 20:28

You people keep forgetting about the deep wound from evis.

Suppose your evis strikes 95 dmg, you add 100 pts dmg from a deep wound. Thus, 195 dmg combined.

If your evis strikes 125 dmg, the total dmg is 225 dmgs combined with a deep wound.

Decapitate elite can deals up to 300 dmg combined, but it's still shitty elite anyhow.

Edwards · Mar 08, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Am I mistaken, or didn't Ensign prove that Evis + Executioner's has greater DPS than Dismember + Cleave?

Also, shock axe and conjure axe are both excellent bars. If they "don't work for you," especially in RA, then you're not playing them right. Admittedly, they might not be optimal anymore, but they still are among the most effective frontline bars out there when played correctly.

Snow Bunny · Mar 08, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

2) What functions do warriors have that don't involve doing a lot of damage ? I can think of some but I'm curious what you'd have to say.

[bull's strike][devastating hammer][crushing blow][counter blow][hammer bash][flail][enraging charge][death pact signet]

"Linebacking"

Hundbert · Mar 08, 2009, 10:01 PM // 22:01

If you have to ask questions like this you probably should not play warrior.

Lux Aeterna · Mar 09, 2009, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Hundbert

If you have to ask questions like this you probably should not play warrior.

Lol I spend a lot of time protecting my backline. If I see, say, a blue dot jump to my monk red dot, I instantly head back. Once I must have spent an entire fight chasing the war and sin chasing my monk, and just shock/bulls striking them non-stop.

One reason I'm very resistant to taking shock off my builds is that it's an elementalist saving unconditional KD.

I'm just learning to basically wait till both of my attacks are charged, then use them to rapidly make a target lose half-2/3 of its hp - rather than spamming them all the time like a Dragon slash (another build I like).

How about whirling axe ?

Reverend Dr · Mar 09, 2009, 06:58 AM // 06:58

I deal big numbers by using the catapult. My movement buffs help me get there faster.

Lourens · Mar 09, 2009, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

I deal big numbers by using the catapult. My movement buffs help me get there faster.

Fort Ranik [Meteor]

Anyhow Dragonslash is also very nice with fgj , just saying

obsidian ectoplasm · Mar 09, 2009, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

[bull's strike][devastating hammer][crushing blow][counter blow][hammer bash][flail][enraging charge][death pact signet]

"Linebacking"

linebacking not alot of dmg?

HAMMMERRR BIG DOMOGE!

Stoella · Mar 09, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Pressure/utility + damage > damage alone.

I remember one guide about "how to play a warrior", if anyone remembers where it is, it will greatly help this guy. Basically, he explained everything a shock axe can do, starting with BIG DOMMAGES >.> A must read for warrior starters imho.
Warriors all deal lots of damage (I mean, with a right build heh ? Not talking about the average RA warrior) and all have utility, with a big armor. That's why they are so good. Imho, shock axe bar speaks for itself.

Edwards · Mar 09, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Stoella

Pressure/utility + damage > damage alone.

I remember one guide about "how to play a warrior", if anyone remembers where it is, it will greatly help this guy. Basically, he explained everything a shock axe can do, starting with BIG DOMMAGES >.> A must read for warrior starters imho.

http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3484

I assume you mean this, since it's pretty much accepted as the best guide on the basics of how to play warrior.

dies like fish · Mar 10, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

[build prof=W/E AxeMastery=12+1+3 Strength=8+2 WaterMagic=10][Eviscerate][Executioner's Strike][Agonizing Chop][Bull's Strike][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Frost][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Am I doing it right?

zling · Mar 10, 2009, 02:51 AM // 02:51

that's a standard conjure evis build, so why not...?

Lux Aeterna · Mar 10, 2009, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by dies like fish

[build prof=W/E AxeMastery=12+1+3 Strength=8+2 WaterMagic=10][Eviscerate][Executioner's Strike][Agonizing Chop][Bull's Strike][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Frost][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Am I doing it right?

Water magic has some nice low cost devensive skills... there's one that gives you immunity to burning, and another that gives you 20 seconds or so of 33% more movement speed (!!!!!!) as well as 30ish more armor. Someone used the latter in a 1v1 with me and although I beat him (barely), I may give it a try.

Next question: How do I stop running out of energy constantly by spamming frenzy ?

Hanging Man · Mar 10, 2009, 05:38 AM // 05:38

by not spamming frenzy all the time.
you should only be using frenzy when your currently not under fire.